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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Making Sense of Green Certifications -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buildingmoxie.com/2010/06/making-sense-of-green-certifications/#comment-8550</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Making Sense of Green Certifications -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Michael Matson, Building Moxie. Building Moxie said: From the Archives &#124;&#124; Making Sense of Green Certifications by @TheGreenBuilder http://bit.ly/auN2xJ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Anschel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Anschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
It is about time that Contractors/Builders/Remodelers/Handypeople join the ranks of Engineers, Plumbers, Electricians, and HVAC professionals. Serious education, on the job apprenticeship, education, and rigorous testing BEFORE they are allowed to monkey with a home or build a building.

Third party verification is an absolute must. The ICC has not kept current with building materials, practices, or science and their inspectors are unable to provide the oversight that the industry deserves.

I agree that the agency that creates the standard has no business verifying the project or the products. This is why I cry &quot;foul&quot; on the NAHB for creating a faux standard and certifying every product under the sun in the same breath (for a small fee of course). Green Globes, LEED, EarthCraft, Build it Green, MN GreenStar..... they all require independent 3rd party verification. You could argue that there is some 2nd party verification in the review of the final binder, which is done either by a provider or the organization themselves. Granted it is simply a &#039;check to make sure everything is there&#039; review, it would add an additional $500-$800 to virtually every project. Not ideal in either direction.

HERS was developed for the banking and real estate industry as a way to loan more money. As the science of homes got more complex, they failed to keep up. Their Green Rater Training was laughed at, and their failure to address Combustion Spillage and Air exchange issues was a problem. BPI does a much better job of creating a protocol that theoretically forces a house as a system approach to the testing and reduces the chance of a dangerous condition being created.

Finally, as one of the infamous &quot;Verified Green&quot; folks and friend to Mr &quot;The world is flat&quot; Lesieur I heartily disagree. Green is not simple. The choices are not obvious. The green programs we have today are crude contraptions trying to make some sense out of it all and HELP contractors navigate things. The Living Building Challenge is the closest thing to &quot;true green&quot; that exists right now. If Paul can pull one of those off, I will eat my hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
It is about time that Contractors/Builders/Remodelers/Handypeople join the ranks of Engineers, Plumbers, Electricians, and HVAC professionals. Serious education, on the job apprenticeship, education, and rigorous testing BEFORE they are allowed to monkey with a home or build a building.</p>
<p>Third party verification is an absolute must. The ICC has not kept current with building materials, practices, or science and their inspectors are unable to provide the oversight that the industry deserves.</p>
<p>I agree that the agency that creates the standard has no business verifying the project or the products. This is why I cry &#8220;foul&#8221; on the NAHB for creating a faux standard and certifying every product under the sun in the same breath (for a small fee of course). Green Globes, LEED, EarthCraft, Build it Green, MN GreenStar&#8230;.. they all require independent 3rd party verification. You could argue that there is some 2nd party verification in the review of the final binder, which is done either by a provider or the organization themselves. Granted it is simply a &#8216;check to make sure everything is there&#8217; review, it would add an additional $500-$800 to virtually every project. Not ideal in either direction.</p>
<p>HERS was developed for the banking and real estate industry as a way to loan more money. As the science of homes got more complex, they failed to keep up. Their Green Rater Training was laughed at, and their failure to address Combustion Spillage and Air exchange issues was a problem. BPI does a much better job of creating a protocol that theoretically forces a house as a system approach to the testing and reduces the chance of a dangerous condition being created.</p>
<p>Finally, as one of the infamous &#8220;Verified Green&#8221; folks and friend to Mr &#8220;The world is flat&#8221; Lesieur I heartily disagree. Green is not simple. The choices are not obvious. The green programs we have today are crude contraptions trying to make some sense out of it all and HELP contractors navigate things. The Living Building Challenge is the closest thing to &#8220;true green&#8221; that exists right now. If Paul can pull one of those off, I will eat my hat.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Holschuh</title>
		<link>http://www.buildingmoxie.com/2010/06/making-sense-of-green-certifications/#comment-8548</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Holschuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Nice job of &quot;calling it as you see it&quot; - there is an awful lot of self-perpetuating and self-preservation ethos in the green movement. As with any hot topic... it will shake out after awhile, when it&#039;s not the darling du jour and becomes a matter of practicality and common sense: as in, it starts to sink in. A lot of embodied inertia there to sail into. Eventually, common sense will prevail (I can dream!).
I like your chair analogy - something to sit upon and ponder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Nice job of &#8220;calling it as you see it&#8221; &#8211; there is an awful lot of self-perpetuating and self-preservation ethos in the green movement. As with any hot topic&#8230; it will shake out after awhile, when it&#8217;s not the darling du jour and becomes a matter of practicality and common sense: as in, it starts to sink in. A lot of embodied inertia there to sail into. Eventually, common sense will prevail (I can dream!).<br />
I like your chair analogy &#8211; something to sit upon and ponder!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lesieur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lesieur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad approach, hmmm!
As an old Hippie with the old protect Mother Earth attitude firmly in place I have seen Green become a boutique way of building.

The experts argue, all the while positioning their interests as prime. Homeowners are bored with the whole thing and forget green building because the only interest for many is cost savings. Why pay more for better building when you can shave costs and use that money for a room full of recessed lights.

Green is not complicated unless you talk to an expert, especially the Leed and Verified Green people. Lets make it the smart thing and not a science project you can win a gold ribbon with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad approach, hmmm!<br />
As an old Hippie with the old protect Mother Earth attitude firmly in place I have seen Green become a boutique way of building.</p>
<p>The experts argue, all the while positioning their interests as prime. Homeowners are bored with the whole thing and forget green building because the only interest for many is cost savings. Why pay more for better building when you can shave costs and use that money for a room full of recessed lights.</p>
<p>Green is not complicated unless you talk to an expert, especially the Leed and Verified Green people. Lets make it the smart thing and not a science project you can win a gold ribbon with.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Making Sense of Green Certifications -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alternative Building Services &#187; Making Sense of Green Certifications</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alternative Building Services &#187; Making Sense of Green Certifications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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